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Halo ODST => Report In! => Topic started by: CIA391 on September 01, 2013, 22:55:39
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Near the bottom is this thing called Super code. Not sure where it is or how to find it. But I just thought I would point it out. Because its a good point to show.
http://halo.wikibruce.com/ODST (http://halo.wikibruce.com/ODST)
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You might not have seen Scat's edit, CIA, but your link seems to be messed up. I took a look at what Scat pulled out of it, but can't find any mention of "Super codes".
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You might not have seen Scat's edit, CIA, but your like seems to be messed up. I took a look at what Scat pulled out of it, but can't find any mention of "Super codes".
Bottom of second link.
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Here
(http://halo.wikibruce.com/images/a/a1/ODST-SI-codes.jpg)
Here's the Covenant Alphabet for comparison-
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/079/6/e/covenant_alphabet_by_justbrousing-d4tfrkd.jpg)
And Forerunner, (Halo CE-Halo 3 era)-
(http://halo.wikibruce.com/images/thumb/7/70/Forerunnersymbols.gif/300px-Forerunnersymbols.gif)
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Well I would have a guess these are when the super takes over the cutscenes with the cameras. As its obviously a camera taking those photos. You couldnt take a good screenshot of that part of the cutscenes. :( I would love to get more clear pics.
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The code appears in Sadie's story, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsJ91CgXVc8
pause on 36 mins 46 secs it appears in 2 shots there and a couple more times in the film.
I have opened a thread on Sadie's story here
http://www.gruntspajamas.com/forum/index.php?topic=1812.0
I should have included this in the above thread ::) has me bugged too
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Might be worth noting that the first symbol is the same as the Regenerator pickup in Halo 3, I think.
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Thats a good point scat. And good job at locating them Jedi. I was thinking maybe these may link to the other glyphs somehow. If they do. Then our job isnt complete is it. (^.^)/
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In that specific instance Jedichef provided (thanks btw), it's Vergil communicating, which I assume is disrupting the Superintendent feed by showing those static images. The thing that strikes me as odd about this is something I found on the Huragok Wikipedia page:
The abilities of the Huragok are not limited to fixing things; they are also able to absorb data from a computer or an A.I., and combine it with their own biological "data"
I don't know how aware other people are of that last part, but methinks maybe it's the Huragok Sign Language, which is mentioned later on down the page. Those symbols can be found in-game through the VISR. Here's an example:
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091009211439/halo/images/c/c9/DotSymbol.jpg)
Notice the symbol on the top right appears to be the same as the 3rd one across on the Supercode picture.
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In that specific instance Jedichef provided (thanks btw), it's Vergil communicating, which I assume is disrupting the Superintendent feed by showing those static images. The thing that strikes me as odd about this is something I found on the Huragok Wikipedia page:
The abilities of the Huragok are not limited to fixing things; they are also able to absorb data from a computer or an A.I., and combine it with their own biological "data"
I don't know how aware other people are of that last part, but methinks maybe it's the Huragok Sign Language, which is mentioned later on down the page. Those symbols can be found in-game through the VISR. Here's an example:
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091009211439/halo/images/c/c9/DotSymbol.jpg)
Notice the symbol on the top right appears to be the same as the 3rd one across on the Supercode picture.
Thats actually the biggest link to the glyphs we actually have. Wow.
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Anybody with screen capture abilities want to grab some footage for us to analyze? I'd love to work on this, but its difficult with the low resolution images.
[Edit] Ok, I went back and watched Sadie's Story on Youtube, and the low resolution is part of the corruption effect through the SI view. These symbols only show up in logs after Vergil and the Engineer are merged, so I think this pretty firmly links the symbols in the glyphs as some kind of Engineer language.
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Anybody with screen capture abilities want to grab some footage for us to analyze? I'd love to work on this, but its difficult with the low resolution images.
[Edit] Ok, I went back and watched Sadie's Story on Youtube, and the low resolution is part of the corruption effect through the SI view. These symbols only show up in logs after Vergil and the Engineer are merged, so I think this pretty firmly links the symbols in the glyphs as some kind of Engineer language.
May not have screen capture capabilitys yet, but I will try and take photos when i get home. Not promising anything spectacular though. (T-T)
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http://halo.bungie.net/images/games/halo3odst/community/sadie/index.html (http://halo.bungie.net/images/games/halo3odst/community/sadie/index.html)
May help
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The problem is that the actual images in-game are distorted with static and stuff. I'm not sure how much clearer we can get.
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Well its in Circle 8 Ark 2.
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here you go a clear set of symbols
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Attached is another version of CIA's image. My old eyes couldn't make out a thing in the original! :p
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may I say some symbols are exactly the same as the ones in glyphs.
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Wow! Awesome :D To find a link like this after all this time!
I remember seeing that "super code" before too, but for some reason it didn't even occur to me that it would be tha same as in glyphs! Hm.
Sadly, it doesn't seem like there's any way to translate it...:/ Excellent find anyways guys!
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Just been playing through Data Hive again with sep7ember.
When we completed the second mission objective, pressing the back button to show the list, revealed the SI face, the ERR thread, and your SUPER code!! only 4 characters.
You can see it in the mission objective screen in a box on the left of the list. It was "fight through Data Hive" objective complete.
It was not there after the next objective, and we don't know where else it appears in this form.
Sorry no screen shot but I hope that's clear enough for you to find it and verify??
Will be keeping a close eye out for it ;) oh and we were on normal
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I will try and get a screenshot. This one wont be as good at the one we have above. But still.
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here you go. Best I can get for this
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Thanks CIA :) That is what we saw. wondering where else it can be found, will let people know if I spot it again.
Also cheers for the assist on the other matter ;) I have a suspicion I know what your getting at and it has me interested, possibly more to come from those signs too, but we are desperately trying to confirm something before wasting everyone's time, if we can? we may need some help mapping them. 8)
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May I thank you also. This just gave me more hope that the symbols I noted weren't just a one off occurrence :D And may actually mean something
That being 4 letters or symbols long. I will assume it means help due to the problems Virgil is having. Cannot confirm yet
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Woah. We need to check this screen nearly constantly on Data Hive to see if this happens in different areas, with different objectives, different difficulty levels, etc. Once I have more free time...
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I did a quick check on various difficultys. In my viewpoint. The most notable ones is Data Hive nd Oni Alpha site. Oni alpha site uses the oni symbol. And so does Data Hive but more corrupt due to Oni alpha site getting blown up.
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I may be really late but remember Circle 8, Arc 2 having a line of Super code. Well. I just discovered that that its not just one line but a full screen of it. Well this is something I had to look over a few times...
Guys I missed getting pumped over this stuff.
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Well this I did a better job at uploading a picture. Look up
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There certainly are more symbols than those found in the glyphs. At a glance, I don't see enough unique ones to make an alphabet, but if there are encoded messages, they might be using only the most common letters.
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Guys I missed getting pumped over this stuff.
I know man, we all do. I can only be amazed how you still have the power to still make new finds, after all this time. You are quite the heavyweight in finding stuff!
Like Night, I, too, don't think that we have enough to encode anything yet, but a find is always a find. Good job! :)
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Heh well I never truely gave up on ODST, I mean as long as that Super Triglyph annoys me I will still go back to it.
Well I asked the Catalog on waypoint about the symbols. And got this answer back(https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm3003659_Catalog-Interaction.aspx#post3003659 (https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm3003659_Catalog-Interaction.aspx#post3003659))
Query Answer: Original recordings located in Human records. No contextual [semiotic] information found. Analysis indicates significant deviation in recorded [facticius indoles] symbolic structures.
Cause this was in universe answer deviations could mean any bit of Engineer symbols, even those not seen in the games. And it also shows that in the Halo universe Humans dont know what it means either.
But this does confirm that the Symbols in Sadies story are engineer symbols and relate to the Glyphs. Which means we are or were on the right track. :)
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Query: Is there any information to the Symbols found in the Engineer Glyphs and Sadies Story Logs. Any known information into this matter would be greatly appreciated. As 5 years of research has not moved this any further.
Query Answer: Original recordings located in Human records. No contextual [semiotic] information found. Analysis indicates significant deviation in recorded [facticius indoles] symbolic structures
Here's CIA's question along with the response. After some quick Googling, [semiotic]s is the process of making meanings out of symbols, and [facticius indoles] is the "scientific name" for Engineers.
A couple questions for CIA:
Have you discussed the glyphs with the Catalog before? I'd just like to make it clear that we are talking about glyphs and not Forerunner symbols (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060801230201/halo/images/c/cb/CFsymbols.jpg).
Catalog made reference to "Human records"; is there any place we can access these?
I'm glad you are doing this, and its great work. The only thing that worries me is that Catalog's response might indicate that 343 doesn't know. Dan Miller (http://www.gruntspajamas.com/forum/index.php?topic=1738.0) told us that the super-tri and related glyphs are "also a secret internally, with a total of maybe four people in all of Bungie that knows about it." The secret might not have been relinquished by Bungie.
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Query: Is there any information to the Symbols found in the Engineer Glyphs and Sadies Story Logs. Any known information into this matter would be greatly appreciated. As 5 years of research has not moved this any further.
Query Answer: Original recordings located in Human records. No contextual [semiotic] information found. Analysis indicates significant deviation in recorded [facticius indoles] symbolic structures
Here's CIA's question along with the response. After some quick Googling, [semiotic]s is the process of making meanings out of symbols, and [facticius indoles] is the "scientific name" for Engineers.
A couple questions for CIA:
Have you discussed the glyphs with the Catalog before? I'd just like to make it clear that we are talking about glyphs and not Forerunner symbols (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060801230201/halo/images/c/cb/CFsymbols.jpg).
Catalog made reference to "Human records"; is there any place we can access these?
I'm glad you are doing this, and its great work. The only thing that worries me is that Catalog's response might indicate that 343 doesn't know. Dan Miller (http://www.gruntspajamas.com/forum/index.php?topic=1738.0) told us that the super-tri and related glyphs are "also a secret internally, with a total of maybe four people in all of Bungie that knows about it." The secret might not have been relinquished by Bungie.
My question had pictures with it also.
Query: Is there any information to the Symbols found in the Engineer Glyphs and Sadies Story Logs. Any known information into this matter would be greatly appreciated. As 5 years of research has not moved this any further.
Reference Pictures:
Glyph Symbols (http://s23.postimg.org/l2h34gwm3/Glyphsh.png)
Sadie's Story Symbols (http://www.gruntspajamas.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1813.0;attach=2045;image)
Showing the symbols(in the glyphs and sadies story) but the Catalog has been known only to take the question part of queries. But still making sure the question is relevant.
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Query Answer: Original recordings located in Human records. No contextual [semiotic] information found. Analysis indicates significant deviation in recorded [facticius indoles] symbolic structures.
Awesome! An answer from up above! :D
However, I'm a bit more pessimistic about the answer as you guys are, I think... The Catalog's response might just mean, as Night said, that 343i doesn't know, the "human records" maybe being Bungie themselves or, perhaps, the game itself, and that "No contextual [semiotic] information" can be found in the archives.
Of course, that doesn't mean that Bungie wouldn't have some idea about the glyphs. What's more, as these are the glyphs we know as Engineer Glyphs, what are " recorded [facticius indoles] symbolic structures" then?
Maybe we should start pressuring the Bungie guys about this as well.
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Well facticius indoles means Engineer.
So
Analysis indicates significant deviation in recorded Engineer symbolic structures
This means that in other media, like books(stuff without pictures), and also stuff we dont see. There is records of differences between Engineer symbols. Just we probably wont see them unless 343i decide to show them. Which is good cause we have less chance of getting confused :)
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Perhaps this code can be linked to the glyphs seen on phantoms here: http://halo.bungie.net/stats/Halo3/Screenshots.aspx?player=scatcycle