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Halo ODST => Theorizers => Topic started by: Imppa on December 30, 2009, 20:52:48
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Gah! I've been planning to write this thing for months, but I've "always had something else to do". If updating "Show unread posts" page is something else, then yeah.
So what is this stuff? Read, people.
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Facts
Triplicate, of course, is a symbol, first featured in H3. So I didn't come up with the name by myself. Don't you remember what it looks like? Here, I have a picture of it:
(http://subculturelifestyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SL2009.09.30-CG-OccupiedCityCenter.jpg)
Regonize it already? It's from ODSTs in-game HUD. CG has mentioned it in he's "ODST Secret Glyphs" article (he referred to it's shape, which I mention later in this thread). He also pointed out that the same symbol shows up in Achievement picture(s):
Super Sleuth, Gumshoe, and Junior Detective, though the symbol is not complete.
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/4/45/Super_Sleuth_achievement.png) (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/1/1c/Gumshoe_achievement.png) (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/c/c0/Junior_Detective_achievement.png)
Also: I have discovered one place more where this symbol shows up!
In the beginning cutscene, where you watch trough Drone fighter's camera, look in the bottom-right corner.
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8358/cutscenelogo.jpg)
Theorizes
Meaning
Everywhere where Triplicate shows up, it's somehow connected to surveillance or else of that kind:
In HUD, which you use as you'r map and you can also use to detect enemies,
In achievement pictures concerning finding the clues (+achievement names),
And in Drone camera which is obviously about surveillance.
Because of these facts we can be sure that Triplicate has something to do with surveillance, right?
Similarities
After some research, it was found that though Triplicate looks somewhat the same as the Asklon logo (http://subculturelifestyle.com/gallery/v/SGP/companies/Asklon/SL-2009_10_17-ColdGlider-Asklon-KikowaniBuildingSign.jpg.html) and the Y-glyphs (http://subculturelifestyle.com/gallery/v/SGP/glyphs/YGlyphs/), they are not identical match; the angle in the bottom branch is bigger in Triplicate than it is in Asklon logo And Y-glyph. Neither do the Y-glyph and Asklon logo match perfectly.
HOWEVER: When you look the City of New Mombasa from the sky, You can see that the highways make up a shape that perfectly fits the shape of the Y-glyph. (http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=104017295)
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I may sound crazy, but at least part of these things sound very plausible, correct?
Post your own thoughts so I can add you to the "Crazy lunatics" list too!
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I think the 'surveillance' thing is a bit farfetched...
And no, I don't want to explain why. I just think it doesn't relate to glyphs. At all. ^^
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Couple of thing: I was doing a search on Y glyphs.. The above site gave me a few ideas.
Got a few attachments
1. Crack Down : No its not Halo ODST but they did have the Halo 3 Beta..hmm Odd cover art?
2. Is a clip from the above witch craft site. It covers some Yish symbols and something that may be used to translate those banners.
Could totally be nothing but who knows...Maybe Bungie is the devil..
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I think the 'surveillance' thing is a bit farfetched...
And no, I don't want to explain why. I just think it doesn't relate to glyphs. At all. ^^
I think the Connections thing is a bit more far-fetched than that. Every place where it has showed up is connected to surveillance. What else could it be?
But yeah, even I'm not sure about the connection to glyphs...It's just that they share the same orientation.
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If we are going with survalence. What if we transposed the triplicate sign onto the glyphs. Would we get a figure or maybe even a phrase? Someone should test
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If we are going with survalence. What if we transposed the triplicate sign onto the glyphs. Would we get a figure or maybe even a phrase? Someone should test
...What? ???
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i think he means putting the glyphs on top of the symbol...
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Oh, right. I just did it. [See below; Asklon logo, Y-glyph(blue so you can see it better) and Triplicate.]
It seems that after all, The Triplicate doesn't fit in the symbol. I know, I putted only one part of it, but from it alone we can see that the angle is much bigger.
Hmmm...So maybe Triplicate has nothing to do with the Glyphs after all. (But: The Image proves that the Asklon logo and Y-glyph share the exact same angle.)
EDIT: Wait...It doesn't. Keep reading, you'll find out why.
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VERY nice, Imppa. You definitely were wearing your lab jacket. The visual confirmation that the Y-Glyph and the Asklon logo match up is interesting.
I believe the Asklon (or AMG) logo predates ODST. Halopedia isn't currently providing any real insight into the game appearance history of the logo, so we'll have to go it on our own.
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What if you turn the Logo upside down?
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What if you turn the Logo upside down?
You mean Asklon logo? Uh, don't see the point... It's still like the Y-Glyph, plus that then it looks more like one.
An CG, I checked the links Halopedia could provide, searched trough Bnet with key words "AMG" and "Asklon", and found out nothing concerning the Logo. I doubt we will find something, but perhaps someone who has the Novels should check them for it?
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Two things.
1: Just because there are runes are in the game doesn't make it evil in anyway... I know a bit about runes and from my immediate knowledge (Dont feel like grabbing books) They are used in several ways... From religion to war to protection to helping you cook. (yes it happens).
2: We should probably play through all the levels in halo 2 and 3 (the ones on earth anyway) and see if we can find any of the askalon symbols... maybe some sort of wierd backwards connection?
2-.5: I haven't seen anything in odst that urked me to thumb through one of my books but I'll play around in the game and look again.
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1: Just because there are runes are in the game doesn't make it evil in anyway...
Runes are as evil as the English alphabet... or any alphabet for that matter, since that was their primary purpose. I sincerely hope that nobody feels offended by their use in the SGP. Their use here is a homage to the Ultima series of video games. In this series, the runes held a dual role: they were used both to infuse a sense of reality into the fictional game world (it's own alphabet) as well as to provide a gameplay element (puzzling out the message of the runes was required in many Ultima games, and was absolutely crucial in Ultima IV.)
So as you can see, the Covenant alphabet and glyphs can arguably trace their gaming lineage back to runes.
Many people are also familiar with J.R.R. Tolkien's use of runes in The Hobbit. As a fan of Tolkien's books long before Peter Jackson became a filmmaker, the runes also impart (for me) a sense of the legendary and of fond childhood memories.
I am well aware that runes were of interest to Adolf Hitler. So were vegetables. I wouldn't stop eating my veggies just because Hitler ate them. Neither runes nor vegetables are inherently "evil", and both existed long before Nazism. Charles Manson used the English language rather extensively... does this mean that all English speakers are serial killers? It's easy to fear things that we don't understand. The mysterious appearance of runes may bear a negative connotation for some, but I assure you that their use here is positive and utterly harmless. You won't become a Nazi by joining the SGP.
All this having been said, I personally feel that cauliflower is evil. Despite this personal belief, I will refrain from disparaging remarks which might target those who eat it. I recognize that it is a healthy part of a human diet. I will even attempt to challenge my own beliefs from time to time by trying a small portion of cauliflower to see if I can break the shackles of my own personal prejudice. There may come a day when cauliflower will not be judged by the flavor of its skin but on the nutritional content of its character. Until that day, I shall remain tolerant. There are certainly others who can't stand the taste of coffee, after all.
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Once again, good post CG. ;)
I have new stuff People!
While I was doing some research in CM:MS over the barriers for a reason I will tell later, When I was coming down from the heights to get nearer to the actual game area, I noticed this (http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=104017295).
See it? The roads that travel trough the [Financial District] create a form of a Y. :o
Also to notice, there are those rings in the sides of the Y, in the same way as in the Super Tri-Glyph. :o
[Must sleep...Moar tomorrow...]
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Hmmm... nice but i thought its like that because of the shape of the districts... what is it though, a highway?
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Hmmm... nice but i thought its like that because of the shape of the districts... what is it though, a highway?
Something like that....But It's not the district walls, that's for sure.
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I have new stuff People!
While I was doing some research in CM:MS over the barriers for a reason I will tell later, When I was coming down from the heights to get nearer to the actual game area, I noticed this (http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=104017295).
A Y-shape in the streets was noted back in October by myself, Apollo, and maybe Kenji and Enigma... but I don't think we ever posted about it. :( This was down in the black area of D09. I think you found something bigger than that, in a different place.
In your (very nice!) picture, the center of the "Y" looks like it is positioned in the center of the Hub, where Districts 02,03,04,05,06, and 08 all join together. It also looks like you had District 03 loaded up, which leads me to deduce that you were jumping barriers up in D00 (which would be loaded too, and is not visible in your photo.)
Is this all correct? If I may ask, what out-of-map method did you use to get this photo?
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I have new stuff People!
While I was doing some research in CM:MS over the barriers for a reason I will tell later, When I was coming down from the heights to get nearer to the actual game area, I noticed this (http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=104017295).
A Y-shape in the streets was noted back in October by myself, Apollo, and maybe Kenji and Enigma... but I don't think we ever posted about it. :( This was down in the black area of D09. I think you found something bigger than that, in a different place.
In your (very nice!) picture, the center of the "Y" looks like it is positioned in the center of the Hub, where Districts 02,03,04,05,06, and 08 all join together. It also looks like you had District 03 loaded up, which leads me to deduce that you were jumping barriers up in D00 (which would be loaded too, and is not visible in your photo.)
Is this all correct? If I may ask, what out-of-map method did you use to get this photo?
Yes, you are correct. I used the mongoose-jumping method HaloCreation shows (Thanks Tepec!). Seems to be the most simple way.
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Good work Imppa!
CG you crack me up. Judged by it's nutritional content indeed. For my part I would like to say that runes are evil even as all language is evil. Language gives you the ability to put your thoughts in someone else's head. As you read this you cannot help but to think of the way hairs tickle your nose as you inhale in my armpit. See what I just did! Evil!
Also, as Borges points out, mirrors are evil because they unnaturally duplicate people upon the earth.
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Wow, this is embarassing.
Seems like I've made a mistake. Sort of a big one.
The picture where the Asklon logo and the Y-Glyph match is not real. I failed in the scaling of the glyph: I made it as tall and as wide as the logo: hence, I made the angles to be the same at the same time. Sorry.
I've attached the real overlays of the symbols; You can see that though the angle is almost the same, it really isn't. :(
I also overlayed the Y-shape I sighted in CM:MS and the Y-glyph, and trust me, I scaled it right this time. They seem to fit pretty nicely...
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Thanks for the correction, Imppa! It's very important to catch your own mistakes and admit them openly... there is no shame in that! (It's the SGP way, after all.)
As for your new work overlaying the Y-Glyph with the view of the street, well done again! Would you be willing to provide a video clip that others can easily use to get to the same out-of-map location in Theater?
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Thanks for the correction, Imppa! It's very important to catch your own mistakes and admit them openly... there is no shame in that! (It's the SGP way, after all.)
As for your new work overlaying the Y-Glyph with the view of the street, well done again! Would you be willing to provide a video clip that others can easily use to get to the same out-of-map location in Theater?
Right when I get on, meaning Saturday.
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Got it. Here (http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=104456825)'s the video you can use to get out the bounds: When I finally succeed in the jump, and get on the barrier, press Y, and roam free!
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Thank you! Signing in to check it out now. If anyone is up for panning around Theater Mode together, join my XBL Party.
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Well, it fits nice and snug...
Edit, the blue ones in there, its just that the super try one is over it. It almost overlaps perfectly. But not quite ;)
For high quality zoomed in hold down CTRL and scroll up.
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Thanks for that Cycle!
Since you seem to be so good in this, could you try something out for me? How 'bout overlay the Picture of the Financial district with the Y-shape and Super Tri-Glyph? I would like to see where the SI faces would locate in it...
Byt I'll see if I can make it first. ;)
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I don't like being a combo breaker, but this 'overlaying different in-game and not-in-game pictures' is just pure nonsense: the size of the picture of an in-game object depends on your distance to it and the angle your looking at it.
Besides, it's not a surprise there are some 'Y' other than the glyphs. It's one of the primary symbols in the game!
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Happy face for y'all. :)
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I don't like being a combo breaker, but this 'overlaying different in-game and not-in-game pictures' is just pure nonsense: the size of the picture of an in-game object depends on your distance to it and the angle your looking at it.
Besides, it's not a surprise there are some 'Y' other than the glyphs. It's one of the primary symbols in the game!
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Happy face for y'all. :)
What do you mean about 'overlaying different in-game and not-in-game pictures'? They are all In-game pics. Though I must say, angle is not perfect in my Y-shape pic, 'cause you can't look directly down in theater mode (or in any mode). But the angle is so small, that it shoudn't really matter. And the size is not a concern: you can freely change the size of the pics, as long as the measures are the same/the shape doesn't change.
And you are right, the Y shape is a normal symbol in the game: that has been now proved! I'm just looking for some kind of connections between them, so that I could perhaps find something.
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I failed.... i be back in a minute with more
Edit 1:Back... with 2 more. I still failed. :(
Edit 2:I WIN!
Edit 3: Wait what did you mean by "financial" district?
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That's nice, but I think the Image should be made bigger, so that the Ys would be the same size.
But I'm not sure is my own pic the whole, so I'll get a new one soon.
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cant do that withough streching it.... Well you could, but you would have to have the right angle.
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First try... failed. I try again
Yet again. I dont see what you mean though.
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There (http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=105847453)! That's the whole Y-shape!
Cycle, one last picture, please?
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Uh... CTRL Z down (use mouse scroller) to magnify.
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Mhhh...Thanks. At least now I can sleep more calmly. :)
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Hmm. After ten years, I got a simple idea that might sound as plausible for the triplicate symbol. (And no, I have no idea how I ended up with that name. :D )
The names of the achievements are describing different police "ranks", or at least distinctions between experience. In a way, the symbols of the achievements remind me of insignias - Junior Detective is a simple with little flair, Gumshoe has a bit of complexity to it, and Super Sleuth is straight up golden. Maybe they are meant as rank insignias of sorts - seeing something like that on a drone view wouldn't, maybe, be too much of a stretch.